Benyamin Poghosyan - Peace or Capitulation? Armenia's Dilemma & Ukraine Shifts | Ep 423 - Mar 16, 2025 [EP423]

Posted on Tuesday, Mar 18, 2025 | Category: Armenia, Politics | Series: wir

Guest:

Topics:

  • Armenia-Azerbaijan “Treaty”: Concessions, secrecy, opposition backlash.
  • Preconditions for Peace: OSCE Minsk dissolution, constitutional changes.
  • Ukraine War Talks: Jeddah negotiations, UAV attacks, Trump-Putin call.
  • Witkoff’s Baku Stop: Mysterious visit raising geopolitical questions.

Episode 423 | Recorded: March 17, 2025

Show Notes

Topics Covered

1. Armenia-Azerbaijan “Peace” Agreement: Concessions or Capitulation?

  • Background: Since the November 9-10, 2020 ceasefire statement, Azerbaijan has dictated terms to Armenia, often using military force or threats. The latest development is the March 13 announcement of a finalized peace agreement, though many in Armenia see it as a capitulation.
  • The Announcement: Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Jeyhun Bayramov announced on March 13 that the text of the agreement was finalized. Armenia confirmed it later, claiming the announcement was supposed to be joint.
  • Lack of Transparency: The treaty text remains undisclosed to the public, prompting Armenian opposition groups to label it a surrender document.

2. Azerbaijan’s Preconditions and Threats of Military Force

  • Unilateral Demands: Azerbaijan has attached preconditions before signing the treaty, including:
    • Dissolution of the OSCE Minsk Group, effectively erasing Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) from international negotiations.
    • Constitutional changes in Armenia, removing references to the Armenian Genocide and Artsakh.
  • Ramping Up Ceasefire Accusations: Following the treaty announcement, Azerbaijan has escalated claims of Armenian ceasefire violations, issuing three accusations on March 16 and three more on March 17.
  • What This Means: These demands and escalations indicate that Azerbaijan may not intend to sign the agreement soon, instead using delays as leverage for further concessions.

3. The Ukraine War and Trump-Putin Negotiations

  • Jeddah Ceasefire Talks: Ukraine and Russia held peace negotiations in Jeddah last week.
  • Largest Ever UAV Attack: The talks were overshadowed by Ukraine’s biggest drone attack on Russian cities, increasing tensions.
  • Steve Witkoff’s Moscow Visit: U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff met Putin following the Jeddah talks.
  • Ceasefire Proposal: Putin did not immediately accept a ceasefire but left room for further negotiations.
  • Trump-Putin Call Scheduled for March 18: A pivotal phone call is set between Trump and Putin, reportedly to discuss land divisions and control over key power plants.

4. Europe’s Escalation and Militarization

  • France & UK’s Position: European rhetoric against Russia is hardening, with talk of rearmament.
  • Military Build-up: Germany is considering converting Volkswagen factories into tank production facilities.
  • UK’s Ground Troops Proposal: The UK has hinted at sending ground troops to Ukraine, further raising tensions.

5. The Curious Witkoff Stopover in Baku

  • Unusual Visit: On his way back from Moscow, Witkoff made an unpublicized stop in Baku.
  • Speculation on Israel & Iran:
    • Azerbaijan-Israel ties are deepening, with reports that Azerbaijan’s state oil company, SOCAR, has entered a deal for Israeli gas fields.
    • Discussions may have included potential Azerbaijani involvement in a future conflict with Iran.
    • Some sources speculate that Azerbaijan might be pushed to join the Abraham Accords, normalizing ties with Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Key Questions Discussed

Armenia-Azerbaijan Peace Agreement & Concessions

  • Is this a genuine step toward peace, or a forced capitulation?
  • Why is the agreement text hidden from the Armenian public?
  • What are the risks of signing an agreement with undisclosed terms?
  • Has Pashinyan agreed to deliverables that aren’t in the document?
  • Are Azerbaijan’s preconditions a stalling tactic to delay signing while extracting more concessions?

Ukraine War & Global Geopolitics

  • What was the outcome of the Jeddah negotiations?
  • How does the Ukraine war impact the South Caucasus?
  • Will Trump’s direct negotiations with Putin lead to a breakthrough?
  • What does European militarization mean for the future of the conflict?

Witkoff’s Visit & Baku’s Role in Global Affairs

  • Why would Steve Witkoff visit Baku after Moscow?
  • Could this be related to Azerbaijan-Israel cooperation?
  • Is Azerbaijan preparing for involvement in a broader Middle East conflict?
  • How does Baku’s strategic position influence global diplomacy?

Wrap-up

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Guests

Benyamin Poghosyan

Benyamin Poghosyan

Dr. Benyamin Poghosyan is a Senior Research Fellow at APRI Armenia, a Yerevan based think tank,and the Chairman of the Center for Political and Economic Strategic Studies. He has served as the vice president for research and head of the Institute for National Strategic Studies at the National Defense Research University in Armenia. Dr. Poghosyan was a Distinguished Research Fellow at the US National Defense University College of International Security Affairs. He is a graduate from the US State Department Study of the US Institutes for Scholars 2012 Program on US National Security Policy Making. He holds a PhD in history and is a graduate from the 2006 Tavitian Program on International Relations at Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.

Hosts

Asbed Bedrossian

Asbed Bedrossian

Asbed is founder of the Armenian News Network Groong and co-founder of the ANN/Groong podcast.

Hovik Manucharyan

Hovik Manucharyan

Hovik Manucharyan is an information security engineer who moved from Seattle to Armenia in 2022. He co-founded the ANN/Groong podcast in 2020 and has been a contributor to Groong News since the late 1990s.

Disclaimer: The views expressed by Hovik Manucharyan on the ANN/Groong podcast are his own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of his employer or any other organization.

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