Vahram Ter Matevosyan - The Dynamics of Identity and Geopolitics in the South Caucasus | Ep 372 - Oct 5, 2024 [EP372]

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Guest:

• Dr. Vahram Ter-Matevosyan

Topics:

• Armenian Identity and Integration in the South Caucasus
• On the Nature and Thinking of the Armenian Constitution
• Relations with Russia Through Time
• The Geopolitics Around the South Caucasus

Episode 372 | Recorded: October 2, 2024

Show Notes

The Dynamics of Identity and Geopolitics in the South Caucasus

In your recent paper, From Transcaucasia to the South Caucasus: Structural and Discursive Predicaments in Armenia’s Regional Integration (June 2023), you document the perception of Armenia within the wider geopolitical region over time. Over the past 200 years, the constant is that Armenia has largely perceived its destiny to be linked with Russia. Yet, with the outcome of the 2020 war in Artsakh and other larger geopolitical shifts, this perception is currently in the process of being challenged.

Questions:

• What are the key takeaways from your paper in your own words? What is the goal of the historical analysis? How can it or should it inform policy?
• How does Armenian identity today relate to the historical longue durée view?

You caution that your type of analysis (long duration/term or long time frame) might miss points of inflection in a short period of time. Because, if we look at it in a time frame of 200 years, it is clear that Russia is our natural ally.

Question:

• Is the message that we should be mindful of historic trends rather than being near-sighted about current events?

After 2020 and the complete ethnic cleansing of Karabakh’s Armenian population just a year ago, Armenian identity has become an object of contention with Turks and Azerbaijanis, leading to various demands, including that Armenia change its constitution to remove any reference to the declaration of independence, which in its turn refers to several points of controversy:

1. The 1988 vote on the unification of Karabakh and Armenia.
2. References to western Armenia and the Armenian Genocide
3. Role of Armenia in supporting the Armenian diaspora worldwide

These three issues are seen by Turkey and Azerbaijan as a threat. And recently, Nikol Pashinyan has lent credence to those points by arguing that Armenian patriotism is “destructive”. In his worldview, the definition of Armenia is pretty strict, encompassing 28K sq km. Worrying about anything outside of these boundaries or even apparently supporting Genocide recognition, has nothing much to do with the state of Armenia and in fact is a source of danger.

Meanwhile, on Sep 19, the anniversary of Artsakh’s ethnic cleansing, Ihlam Aliyev was in Stepanakert, where he toured the depopulated town, opened a university and called Armenians effectively settlers and visitors, visitors in a region where they’ve lived for thousands of years.

Questions:

• What are your thoughts on Pashinyan’s recent statement that Armenian patriotism is destructive?
  • Is this a sincere, perhaps pragmatic, attempt to save Armenia from decline, or is this part of a broader geopolitical strategy influenced by Turkish actors at a time of great Armenian weakness?
• Is there a legitimate case for changing Armenia’s constitution in light of ongoing external pressures?
  • Discuss the implications of modifying references to the Armenian Genocide, Western Armenia, and the diaspora.
• Can Armenian identity be changed in such a top down manner?

The 3+3 Format: A New Regional Order?

In your paper, you describe the South Caucasus historically as a region that is being pulled from multiple directions, with the exception of a brief period in the 1920s. After the 2020 war and then the Russia-West conflict that erupted in Ukraine, a new 3+3 regional format was proposed for dealing with issues of the region.

• Who are the proponents of the 3+3 and is it possible for the South Caucasus to form a distinct political region by itself?
• Since 2004, Georgia has been inching toward the EU, but we’ve been hearing statements from the Georgian Dream government and Russian officials and analysts that hint at a potential rapprochement between Georgia and Russia. How likely is this scenario and could this lead to a confederation involving Georgia, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia?
• How much does the Russian conflict with the West influence the self-perception and political maneuvering of the nations in the South Caucasus?

References

Two recently published papers we reference in our discussion:

• From Transcaucasia to the South Caucasus: Structural and Discursive Predicaments in Armenia’s Regional Integration (June 2023)
• Armenian interpretations of Kemalism: rethinking diaspora and soviet intellectual debates in the 1920s (July 2023)

Wrap-up

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